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    #31
    Winter Solstice moves between December 21 and December 22...has to do with the earth's rotation, an explanation a bit too long to go into here.. but this year, 2011, Solstice is officially on December 22. We personally usually stay with December 21, for convenience sake. (I checked wikipedia -- it lists it as December 22, as well?)

    While some pagan religions celebrate the Solstice in formal ways, it is not in any way a religious holiday for us...but simply an alternative to Christmas or Hanukah. In ancient times it was a time when people were alarmed that the gods had taken away the sun (as the winter solstice falls on the darkest night of the year), so bonfires were lit, both large and small, to encourage the gods to bring back the light. And since the dark was a very dangerous time (marauders were everywhere, predators both human and animal abound), people carried torches with them. There is some suggestion that the lighting of the Christmas trees was in homage to that, and to brighten an otherwise very dark period of time.

    We live in the country where burning is permissible in winter (so long as there is snow on the ground...which there usually is by then!). So during fall cleanup we pull together a large brush and wood pile. On December 21, friends come over and we share a meal (pot luck, although someone usually offers to do a turkey or ham and the rest bring appropriate side dishes), all the usual holiday treats (too many sweets! :) ), and then with a hot drink in hand, all go out to the bonfire, light it, cheer, sing christmas carols and other songs (often we lapse into '60's covers...all of us being from that era). When the fire dies down a couple of the guys hang out there to make sure it goes completely out; the rest of us troop back inside and warm up with more hot cocoa/rum/whatever. And then the party's over.

    No gift exchange, no frantic rush to the store to buy something last minute because you forgot someone, no mention of church, birth of baby Jesus (who, after all, wasn't actually born on December 25 anyway; that's an early church designation, to keep things simple, much like our deciding to always celebrate solstice on December 21), no reverence whatever -- just friends having a mid-winter party.

    Neither my husband nor I...nor several of our friends...are religious. We (husband and I) are not Christian. That is, while we ascribe to some of the teachings of the rabbi (which means "teacher") Jesus, we don't believe that he is a god, or the son of god, or "conceived of a virgin birth" ("virgin is actually a mistranslation of the original Greek; it should be "young woman") "born again", or "rose from the dead". While obviously his words..or what are thought to be his words...are powerful, so powerful that they've remained known for centuries, we believe that there are equally powerful words in other faith traditions, Judaism, Hindi, Buddist, Islam, Native American, and others, and we follow them as well.

    What we *don't* ascribe to is the greed that has become "christmas" -- buying gifts for people who already have more than they need; the obligatory gift exchange when there are people around us who do not have enough food, shelter, etc.; commercialism that has (in our minds) taken over what should be a religious holiday celebrated by those who believe, and quietly respected by the rest of us. Since that's not gonna happen, we choose to ignore it and celebrate solstice by ourselves, we and our friends. We set aside whatever money we would have spent on gift giving and send it to a charity (in recent years, FeedAmerica, and designate our local geographic area), where, they claim, they can feed people for less than $1 each. We encourage our friends and family to do the same. And enjoy ourselves with the party.

    Probably more than you want to know.
    Last edited by Cat Dancer; 12-11-2011, 04:36 AM.
    ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o

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      #32
      I love your simple yet joyous solstice celebration.....but you sing Christmas carols???

      What exactly, are you celebrating? :o
      Love, Sally


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        #33
        Originally posted by SalpalSally View Post
        I love your simple yet joyous solstice celebration.....but you sing Christmas carols???

        What exactly, are you celebrating? :o
        We're celebrating good friends....a good meal...the mid-point of winter...spring will be coming, soon!...

        The songs are songs. We don't feel obligated to adopt their meaning, any more than singing "lucy in the sky with diamonds" means we go use LSD, or "Santa Claus is coming to town" that a fat man is about to fall down our chimney, or "easter bunny rock" that we believe that a huge rabbit is coming in the spring with candy, or any of the others. Just songs we know from our childhood, and from our young adulthood from the 60's and 70's.
        Last edited by Cat Dancer; 12-11-2011, 10:15 AM.
        ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o

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          #34
          Yes, You are correct as it does say December 22 this year. Oh well it must be my wonky eyes or my wonky brain.... Thanks for explaining how you celebrate the holidays.

          Gabriella
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            #35
            Mine are a simple, if grim, people.

            We celebrate a holiday the likes of which is rarely seen in a society swept up with modernity.

            One cold winter day I discovered the just one other family that celebrates this same grievous event.

            Their celebration is much like ours; like your more formal calendrical events the cycle varies.

            I have taught these traditions to my child and she shall carry them onward to the as yet unborn generations.

            We call this regular event "Garbage Eve" and it comes but once a week.

            Solemnly and seriously we gather the detritus of our lives and place it in "sacks" (not unlike your xmas stockings ?) and sadly we regard the waste we have made of another week.

            With woeful thoughts of burgeoning landfills, regrets for what might have been, shame for what we have done and become we commit our "gifts" to The Can.

            When the darkness gathers, a gloom gathered of Garbage Eve as it were, "The Can" is with small ceremony place at the curb.

            And we wait.

            For with the dawn come a rebirth.

            Garbage Fairies have come to cleanse us.

            And We Begin Again !

            I do not expect many here to understand our ways.

            But they are our ways.

            Anyways.
            *another random thought *

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              #36
              Garbage Fairies..
              Last edited by SalpalSally; 12-12-2011, 08:28 AM.
              Love, Sally


              "The best way out is always through". Robert Frost






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                #37
                Political Correctness, respect, official NOT!

                I don't think this is a "Political Correctness" issue, or one of 'respect,' rather its a matter of the rules, which includes the Laws of the United States, even this:

                First Amendment:
                "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

                and thus opportunity generated here, which is intended to be generally available, is not supposed to be based on a particular religion, etcetera. 'Church' and state were separated apparently here:

                John 2:14-16

                New International Version (NIV)

                14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”

                Cat Dancer: Solstice occurs when it occurs . . . since our influence on solstice is practically nonexistent, it doesn't 'officially' occur. It occurs though its moment might be officially recognized.

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                  #38
                  Random Thought, it's nice to see you back here.

                  Just to muddy the waters a little more here, there have been and still are Christians not observing Christmas: many Quakers (Friends), Jehovah's Witnesses, the Puritans, and for 400 years everyone in Scotland, though the ban was lifted in 1950.
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by agate View Post
                    Random Thought, it's nice to see you back here.

                    Just to muddy the waters a little more here, there have been and still are Christians not observing Christmas: many Quakers (Friends), Jehovah's Witnesses, the Puritans, and for 400 years everyone in Scotland, though the ban was lifted in 1950.
                    I think that this is because the actual parties and celebrations, except for the celebration of Mass, was initiated by Pagans??
                    Love, Sally


                    "The best way out is always through". Robert Frost






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                      #40
                      This is a very interesting thread

                      Abby
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                        #41
                        Yes, solstice occurs when it occurs. So what's you're point?
                        ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by agate View Post
                          for 400 years everyone in Scotland, though the ban was lifted in 1950.
                          Hi Agate (nice to see you too)

                          Interesting about this ban being lifted in the 50's because my aunt and uncle moved to Scotland for a period (70's-80's) and taught at the University of Edinburgh...and yet... I don't think they sent me even one present during their tenure ! I may have to mention this in our holiday card this year.
                          Last edited by RandomThought; 12-12-2011, 03:09 PM.
                          *another random thought *

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                            #43
                            In an earlier post I said:
                            Just to muddy the waters a little more here, there have been and still are Christians not observing Christmas: many Quakers (Friends), Jehovah's Witnesses, the Puritans, and for 400 years everyone in Scotland, though the ban was lifted in 1950.
                            and Sally replied:
                            I think that this is because the actual parties and celebrations, except for the celebration of Mass, was initiated by Pagans??
                            Sally, I'm no authority but I found a few bits of information.

                            Some Quakers observe Christmas nowadays, but traditionally the idea was that every day was holy and no one day should be specifically set aside, I think:

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                            The Scots Presbyterians and the Puritans thought Christmas was Popish:

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                            The Jehovah's Witnesses regard Christmas as a pagan ritual:

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                            If I've misrepresented anyone's beliefs here, I hope someone will correct me.
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                              #44
                              I found another article from Agate's site which is interesting and also confirms December 25th as once being the winter soltice celebration. So it wasn't my wonky eyes or brain as I read it somewhere else.....just can't remember where? As early as the 1820's England's shop owners began the commercialization of Christmas. As Ebenezer Scrooge would say.....Bah Humbug!

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                              Merry Christmas,
                              Gabriella
                              Last edited by Gabriella7; 12-12-2011, 04:11 PM.
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                                #45
                                Oh dear,

                                I hate to seem ungrateful, especially given the fact that just today was Garbage Morn, yet my clan too is suffering the weary blight of commercialism.

                                Yup...not only do the Garbage Fairies regularly send me a bill...this time they included a statement of intent to Raise Removal Rates !

                                So I second the Bah Humbug,

                                And say to them, "Gracious Good Garbage to You Sirs and/or Madams !"
                                *another random thought *

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