Medical MJ

[Gary]

I know over the years and a couple of forum changes we have talked this to death.......... but as I don't remember what I had for lunch (okay I do because I am eating lunch right now) I want to know every-bodies opinion and even why you feel that way. I take a ton of pain meds for pain and spasity cause by MS. I have not increased the amount that I take but am going to have to do SOMETHING as it is not working as well. Due to tolerance or MS getting worse is debatable.

Thanks in advance. And I am not advocating breaking any laws nor am I trying to start a political debate. This thread is for a true medical need not getting baked because you have a hang nail. As to whether or not I have EVER tried it I grew up in the 60's and 70's make your own decision.

[stillstANNding]

I am for decriminalizing it altogether. That would save a lot of wasted money. And I am for medical marijuana as it does help w spasms, I am told. I don't know how the RX or selling of it would work- California seems to be a joke w anyone getting it if they answer some questions.

I would like to have a variety (I am told there are some) that has a more somatic rather than cerebral effect.

And, I would need to know if smoking anything is smoking- just the same. In that case, I wouldn't do it, at least not now.

Gary, out in Idaho,
How does your garden grow?

What's out between the tomato plants?
Is anyone to know?

ANN

[Buttons2]

Gary,my personal feeling is if it helps why not? (assuming you can get it in Idaho). and yes smoking is smoking whatever the method or product.there are many different "flavor's".

[SalpalSally]

Some people like the Cannibutter for baking, better than smoking????

[nuthatch]

Of course, you most likely "tried" it, most people of that era did. No big deal.

My SIL used MJ for pain while she was in hospice care. It helped her to get through when other pain meds couldn't. Many of the traditional meds actually caused added problems for her. MJ made an unbearable situation bearable and helped her with her appetite too.
But honestly, why does a person have to be near the end of life before it's okay to ease the pain. Some people endure bad pain daily, way before the end is near!

Spasms are becoming more and more of a big problem for me. Since I live in CA, I am considering getting a med mj card, then getting in touch with my "inner farmer".

I agree that smoking anything is still smoking, and can't be good for the lungs. But there are other ways to injest MJ and I do love to eat good food! The internet is full of info and recipes. Then there's the issues of safety and expense, which is where the possibility of growing your own comes in. That seems like the best option, since you would always know where it's coming from, that no chemicals were used in production, and it would be much cheaper too. Just gotta keep it on the down-low. Like Ann said . . . between the tomatoes and cucumbers.

I don't know if your state has med MJ laws on the books, but it's worth looking into. I think it's a shame that anyone should have to risk losing property or freedom over this. Many choose to take the risk, but there really shouldn't be any risk involved.

[Gabriella7]

I also think MJ should be legalized federally for those who need it for medical reasons. I am not getting the relief from pain from hydrocodone 5-500 and the doctor increased the dosage up to 2 tablets twice a day. If I could try MJ I would, but alas it is not legalized in this state.

Can you get it legally in your state? I know even that can be a problem since it is not a federal law. I have even thought of traveling to California since my husband has a cousin who lives in LA just to try it and see if it would help with the nerve tingling, numbness and pain. The thoughts of traveling bring up all the reasons I shouldn't travel and then how would I get it when I get back home?

So I vote for you to try it Gary and let us know if it helps. I am also at the end of my rope and don't know where to turn to get help.

Gabriella

[stillstANNding]

In MA it has been decriminalized. However you can't buy it, sell it or grow it. I guess you can just happen to "have some." Then there is the federal thing, as Gabrielle mentioned.

ANN

[Cherie]

The drugs Marinol and Sativex have the "active" ingredient in MJ which is known as THC. I know a woman who lives near me and is 10 years younger and has tried both and they have not worked. She refused to try MJ until it was legal to do so here and fought with our State Legislature until it was legalized for Medical use. She then tried it.

She tells me se never smoked because she had suffered from asthma. So...she used it like an inhaler. A couple of deep breaths in an out then a deep inhale of the MJ and held her breath as long as she could before she exhaled. She repeated the process 2 minutes later. She says that ALWAYS brought her pain to a manageable level. She has never needed more than two or three puffs every 6-8 hours at the most. She also said that after the first couple of months, she needed it less and less and told me the other day she keeps it on hand but the last time she needed it was three weeks ago. She also appreciates the fact that, for her, there is far less sleepiness and mental fog than with meds for pain or spasticity.

[Gabriella7]

Cherie, I really wish we could legally try it but I don't have any fight left in me. It is good to know that this person got some pain relief from it. There is a recent study which shows while it isn't a cure for MS (who ever claimed it was?) it does help with the pain and spasticity. With the pain meds there is the mental fogginess.

That is all I would expect from it. Now if we can get the attention of our state legislature without too much of a fight......not much chance of that happening.....is there?

Gabriella

[renee]

Medical legalization of MJ is inevitable but there are so many people who believe the gateway drug rap.
Hey! One potato chip is a gateway food to chip binging and a good heart attack...

Were that true, as a somewhat addictive personality I would be a greying hippie selling
crocheted rainbow aura stone bags on a California beach- smoking and eating mega junk food.

I believe a LOT of NY politicians would be content to legalize MJ for us but this is New York and
we have received the title of Most Dysfunctional Legislature in the Country
A well deserved honor...not.
And noone has an inkling how to significantly reduce illegal drug trade.

Increasingly uncomfortable from spasms and neurogenic pain, I want the choice of MJ
in my pharma cabinet. If there is some way to medicate other than smoking count me in.
I am vulnerable to respiratory infections.

[Cherie]

You can render the THC from the plant into Butter and use that in baking so it can be consumed. But it does not taken effect quickly through the GI tract and may take 30-45 minutes for the active ingredient to ease the pain. For that reason, one must be careful not to consume too much thinking it's not working. My sister-in=law tells me that the only way it is digested and gets into the system is through being bonded to a fat such as butter. Otherwise it goes straight through the system. Perhaps that is one reason the Marinol does not work well in this instance. Sativex though is a nasal spray so should get into the bloodstream pretty quickly.

[soul]

Hello Gary, I have been working on non psychoactive Marijuana, A friend & I worked on this for the last few years, I let the recipe go out onto PLM but I think I should post it here to
So if people have questions about the proses I will keep coming back to check the thread
Honey making Steps

Starts by putting Honey into large Pot for about an hour at a low heat bringing it up to 80-100 degrees slowly do not boil or simmer!!!

This method by applying heat at 80- 100 degrees there is no high any more the effects seem to be a good sleep and helps with digestion

Honey is a natural anti-inflammatory as are Cannabinoids
Used for Muscle spasms MS, Arthritis, sleeping disorders, Crones Parkinson’s MS

Keep it Local
Use a local Apiary to acquire some unpasteurized Honey.

Utensils needed Stainless steel Stir Spoon, Stock Pot,
A heat source preferably a wood stove, but defiantly a cooking device that your sure of the temps on figure out your temps as in be sure you can control the heat to between 80-100 degree’s, no going over 100 degree’s or you will burn the Honey.
A cover for your Pot is a must, as well Pot Scraping spatula / a Rubber device.. Thingy as stated by my Mother & my sister concurred.

3 Containers for transferring the Honey preferably stainless steel.

Screening
First screen used a double screened Pasta screen >2nd to a 20 cm I am not sure of the Microns though it’s a Oxo Good Grips Pasta Strainer

3rd Screen is a Tea Screen I am thinking the size of Micron is about 400 Micron’s



Pre heat the Honey to between 80 – 100 degree’s in a stainless steel Stock Pot. And be prepared to a lot of sitting and to do some stirring, keep covered at all times other then stirring for 6 hours the portion used was 6 & ½ ounces of Bud to 7 & ½ Litters of Honey the process is just time consuming it takes a full day.

Harvesting your MJ
Pull your plant or to a 1-5 % moisture content, and de - limb the more preparation of the freshly pulled plant will lead to less screening and a cleaner product. Don’t expect to get back 2 liters of Honey from 2 liters there will be some loss due to the process

1> Start with non processed dry from Bud Ounce ---to 1 1/2 – per. Liter. The ounce stripped off the plant by hand a loose crush as apposed to a dust {dust will make green Honey } “1-5% moisture left in Rough hand grinding removing as much stalk as possible

2> Working with a 4 gallon Stock Pot, “The bigger the Pot the easier to work with” this process is best done making larger batches of Honey expect to lose two liters of Honey on a 8 liter batch


3> Put the 1-5% dried MJ into the Pot of heated Honey and blend in, it’s all about stirring and time, allow for at least 6 hours, stirring every 20 min. to half hour, be sure to always cover Pot do not let it bubble or simmer keep at that constant heat

4> Stirring every 20 -30 min’s.

5> The time spent doing this process is approximately 6 hours.

6> Remove as much of the MJ as possible into a large double screened strainer that can sit on top of the pot & drip into the Pot, the strainer should sit on top of the pot to drip off after about 20 min. remove the strainer and empty the strainer of the sticky detritus then wash the strainer.

7> Now set up your containers & Screens for transferring through your Screens to pull out as much off the vegetable matter as possible.

8> Pour the Honey from the Stock Pot through the larger of the 3 screens that you have with a stainless Steel container to capture the Honey You will notice much of the green is gone but keep screening.


9> Now with your tighter 2nd screen pour from your first pour container into your second screened container.

10> The 3rd screen a very tight screen for making tea, shaped and formed to fit a small funnel that could fit into a quart Sealing Jar so you can pour straight into your sealer.

11> Put the tops on the sealers and once it seals it’s finished




Preparation & Use after the Honey has been prepared.
If you drink a nightly cup of Tea prior to bed. Make your tea and let it steep so it’s not boiling hot, after it has cooled add a spoonful of Honey ½ hour to an hour prior to going to bed as it may cause drowsiness.
And use an herbal tea as apposed to a caffeinated tea
Since I put this together I have changed a few things
I find just a spoonful of Honey taken orally will do the trick
soul

[Gary]

Thanks folks,

The reason I dont is my wife drives a school bus (for 26 years) and it is not legal in Idaho. I have to mention that it is legal in Oregon and I can stand on the back edge of our farm and look across the Snake River and see Oregon. I have a lot of friends that think I should be trying it. My PCP said "I can not recommend it because that is unethical but if you did and got arrested I would be the first one to testify on your behalf."

I would be interested in reading someones' opinion that is against it.

I personally don't think it is any more a "gateway" drug than cigarettes or a beer. If you need a opiate to keep the pain under control I really cant see the difference.

[SalpalSally]

Let's put it this way, I'm not against any Drug, Opiate or MJ, Cocaine, Heroine...etc that are used for medical purposes, to give the people relief from their REAL Diseases (not the imaginary ones). I think the Government overreaches it bounds and duties to not allow a Doctor to prescribe such healing meds to their Patients.

It's true that some Doctors should not be writing Scripts for anyone and they are the ones, the Gov't should be going after (and the other drug trafficateers). Not the sick or dieing.





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[Frog42]

I haven't tried this yet but it sounds interesting. I found it online from a site calling itself the Weed Farmer.

Recipe for Marijuana Pesto
An essential ingredient of any Italian food cupboard, pesto can be used on its own as a dressing for pasta, or used as an ingredient in any Italian meat sauce for a more authentic taste. We've just 'beefed' this version up a bit.

Ingredients for Marijuana Pesto
6 to 8 oz fresh basil
½ oz marijuana (more or less - it's up to you)
1 oz grated Parmesan cheese
1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil
3 tablespoons pine nuts
2 or 3 garlic cloves

Method for Making Marijuana Pesto
Gently warm weed in the olive oil, you are aiming to soften it and extract the essential ingredients. Make sure you don't burn it.
While you let this mixture cool down, finely chop the basil leaves in a food processor;
Add about a third of the nuts and garlic to the basil leaves and blend again;
Add some (not all) of the Parmesan to this mixture and slowly add your cooled oil mix while running the blender;
Keep the blender going until you have a thick paste;
Add the rest of the ingredients and blend well;
Use in your usual pasta recipes or spread over bread to make bruschetta.
This mixture can be frozen and it will keep unfrozen in the refrigerator for one week.