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    #16
    I used freeze dried in fact I ear alot of it now just add a bit of water and presto instant food and more nutritious than processes store bought, I live on the crackers and this stuff last abo9ut 10 years unpened

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    Last edited by Abby2006; 05-27-2013, 10:46 AM.
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      #17
      ((((((Abby & All Concerned))))))

      After a little Google scouting for information, I discovered some reassurance about the H7N9 bird flu.

      Isolated to China
      No new cases since May 8, 2013
      Contracted by living in the habitat of/or handling wild and domestic birds, as well as live poultry
      Not transmitted human to human


      A Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Graphic explaining the Genetic Evolution of H7N9 Flu in China:

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      The people, who contracted H7N9 flu in China, acquired the flu by sharing the habitats of wild and domestic birds, and/or in live bird/poultry markets.



      The CDC tested two antiviral medications, Tamiflu and Relenza, which are used for seasonal flu, against the H7N9 virus, and these medications were effective in treating H7N9:

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      The World Health Organization (WHO) update on H7N9 (dated May 17, 2013):

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      No new H7N9 cases have been reported to WHO since May 8, 2013. The WHO states: "So far, there is no evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission."


      Neither the CDC nor WHO have recommended restrictions on travel to China, because of H7N9.




      Seasonal Flu Facts:

      1. Annual percentage of U.S. population (over 3 million people) who will get the seasonal flu: 5 - 20%

      2. Annual average number of persons in U.S. hospitalized with seasonal flu: 20,000

      3. Annual number of people in U.S., who die from seasonal flu: 3,000 - 49,000

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      H7N9 infected 131 people in China, with a population of 1.5 Billion people. About 36 of those infected people died. Thus far, it doesn't appear to be transmitted by human to human contact.

      In the study of H7N9 with ferrets and pigs, it appeared that the transmission required close contact, the symptoms in the animals were very mild, ferrets passed the virus better than pigs, and airborne transmission of H7N9 isn't easy.

      The seasonal flu is far more concerning, given the number of deaths from it annually, and that it is contagious and highly transmissible between humans.

      Scientists are studying H7N9 in an effort to eradicate it from birds/poultry. It would seem that if they can prevent birds from getting it, humans will have less reason to worry about it affecting us.

      Like any flu virus, our best defense is washing our hands frequently, avoiding crowds during flu season (usually reaches its peak in January and February), eating nutritiously, taking Vitamins, and getting proper rest and sleep. With H7N9, the best thing we probably can do is avoid handling live birds or buying food at a live poultry market. Another reason why I am happy to be a vegetarian.

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      Mom to Jon, 49, & Michael, 32, born with an undiagnosed progressive neuromuscular disease. Angel Michael received his wings in 2003. Angel Jon received his wings in 2019. In 2020, Jim, their Dad, joined them.

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        #18
        Its only a airplane ride away ar all rimes.

        There is a cheaper way ro stock up but its a bit harder to do

        You go to bakeries at grocery stores ask for thie old icing buckets (usually they just throw them awau) yoi clean them out buy big bags of rice/beans etc and some dried ice fill them up and put dried ice in to kill bugs ( just a small piece of ice will do) and then you lay the top of pail on top for awhile before you seal it.
        Buyine organic would br optium ,

        Then buy the cream of this and that soups - only problem with this is to have to cook that rice and if you can't the dried rice comes in handy - then theres learning how to cook in a thermos

        Life will change and we will have to adapr and make do

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        Last edited by Abby2006; 05-28-2013, 08:27 AM.
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          #19
          Hundreds of people infected with H7N9 as virus continues to spread - Is a real flu pandemic on the horizon?
          Tuesday, May 28, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer


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          (NaturalNews) The ongoing spread of H7N9 avian flu across Asia could be much more serious than the mainstream media is currently leading on, as some reports now suggest that the actual number of infections and deaths may be at least double what is being reported. Researchers from the University of Hong Kong (UHK) say there could already be as many as 120 adults with H7N9 that are flying under the radar due to milder infections that have not yet been detected.

          As of last month, the World Health Organization (WHO) is reporting 109 confirmed cases of H7N9 infection and 22 deaths from the disease. The majority of infections have thus far emerged in Zhejiang, Shanghai, and Jiangsu, but the first confirmed case of H7N9 outside of China was recently identified in nearby Taiwan. And according to reports, the condition is striking primarily elderly males, with younger populations less susceptible to infection.

          But if you add another 120 mild cases of H7N9 to the mix, the overall number of infected individuals more than doubles to 229 cases. According to Benjamin Cowling, an associate professor at UHK's Public Health Research Center, this figure is likely more accurate than the official one, and there could even potentially be many more infections that have yet to emerge and be reported.

          "One thing that is very striking is the age distribution of the cases," says Cowling, as quoted by Bloomberg.com. "They're very different from the confirmed infections of H5N1," he adds, noting that H5N1 has mostly afflicted younger people in their 20s and 30s.

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          People vaccinated with seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccines more susceptible to serious H7N9 infection
          With a current mortality rate of about 20 percent, H7N9 appears to be a particularly virulent flu that many health experts are concerned may lead to a pandemic. The infamous 1918 Spanish Flu, according to The New Yorker, is estimated to have killed as many as 100 million people worldwide in three deadly waves, and it only had a roughly two-percent mortality rate.

          "It could be that hundreds of other people have mild infections" with H7N9, says Tom Frieden, Director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), confirmed the UHK researchers' assessment of the situation.

          But what is even more disturbing is the fact that people who have already been vaccinated for seasonal flu or H1N1 swine flu may be more susceptible to serious infection or death from H7N9, should they contract it, compared to those who have not been vaccinated. A paper recently published in the journal Eurosurveillance explains that flu vaccines can prevent neutralizing antibodies from recognizing new pathogens, resulting in weakened immunity and higher susceptibility to more serious infection.

          "Sometimes - and for reasons that aren't well understood - an earlier viral infection can set the host up for a more serious infection when exposed at a later date to a similar virus," explains the paper. "The problem usually comes later, when a person is infected with a different serotype," it adds, referring to closely-related, yet distinct, viruses that can cause more serious infection down the road.

          What this means, of course, is that all those people who rushed to their local flu clinics to get jabbed for H1N1 swine flu back in 2008 and following could be the ones most seriously affected by H7N9, should it spread globally.


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            #20
            Enough already, please.
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              #21
              Sally do you really ot want to know how this thing is progressing?

              I went through the ringer out here in 2008 and begging people not to get those shots

              All I can say is just do that thing where y ou cannot see my post I really do not want to cause anyone any harm that is not my intent.

              Abby

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              Two die after h7n9 bird flu virus develops drug resistance

              The Lancet reports that H7N9 is already showing the ability to mutate to avoid treatment with Tamiflu


              James Meikle
              The Guardian, Tuesday 28 May 2013 18.13 BST

              Tamiflu tablets are already proving ineffective against some cases of the H7N9 virus. Photograph: Marianna Day Massey/ZUMA/Corbis


              Scientists have found the first cases of the new bird flu virus proving resistant to treatment with Tamiflu or similar drugs. The virus has so far killed 36 people in China and been confirmed in 95 others.

              The analysis of the course of the H7N9 bird flu virus and use of antivirals in 14 patients, reported in the Lancet medical journal, found that three severely ill people did not respond to the group of medicines that are the standard weapon against threatened flu pandemics. Two died and the third still needed specialist equipment to oxygenate their blood at the time the research paper was submitted.

              The authors, from Shanghai and Hong Kong, said that in these cases genetic testing showed a mutation. In one patient, it seemed to have occurred after the infection took hold, probably as a result of the treatment.
              They said: "The apparent ease with which antiviral resistance emerges in (H7N9) viruses is concerning: it needs to be closely monitored and considered in future pandemic response plans."

              However, they said that in most cases, treatment with oseltamivir (Tamiflu) "even when started 48 hours or more after disease onset, was associated with falling viral load in most patients … Therefore, early treatment of suspected or confirmed cases is strongly encouraged".

              The same message was given by the World Health Organisation, which said scientists at its collaborating centre in Beijing had found "discrepancies" in samples of virus tested in laboratory conditions but not linked to clinical cases. But the study, as yet unpublished, did not differentiate between resistance and possible impurities.

              It believed neuraminidase inhibitors – the group of treatments to which Tamiflu belongs – could still be effective. "Based on this, our treatment recommendations have not changed: the potential severity of H7N9-associated illness warrants recommending that all confirmed cases, probable cases, and H7N9 cases under investigation, receive antiviral treatment with a neuraminidase inhibitor drug as early as possible."

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                #22
                I have decided NOT to keep doing the updates, all I've wanted to do what not let this thing catch unprepared.

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                  #23
                  An important message about this once is fine, but not a barrage of them.
                  I'm scared enough from all of these storm/tornado warnings all the time..EEK!!
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                    #24
                    Just a Update

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                    First Probable Person to Person Transmission of New Bird Flu Virus in China; But H7N9 Is Not Able to Spread Efficiently Between Humans

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                    Aug. 6, 2013


                    he first report of probable person to person transmission of the new avian influenza A (H7N9) virus in Eastern China has just been published.

                    The findings provide the strongest evidence yet of H7N9 transmission between humans, but the authors stress that its ability to transmit itself is "limited and non-sustainable."

                    Avian influenza A (H7N9) virus was recently identified in Eastern China. As of 30 June 2013, 133 cases have been reported, resulting in 43 deaths.

                    Most cases appear to have visited live poultry markets or had close contact with live poultry 7-10 days before illness onset. Currently no definite evidence indicates sustained human-to-human transmission of the H7N9 virus.

                    The study reports a family cluster of two patients (father and daughter) with H7N9 virus infection in Eastern China in March 2013.

                    The first (index) patient -- a 60 year old man -- regularly visited a live poultry market and became ill five to six days after his last exposure to poultry. He was admitted to hospital on 11 March.

                    When his symptoms became worse, he was transferred to the hospital's intensive care unit (ICU) on 15 March. He was transferred to another ICU on March 18 and died of multi-organ failure on 4 May.

                    The second patient, his healthy 32 year old daughter, had no known exposure to live poultry before becoming sick. However, she provided direct and unprotected bedside care for her father in the hospital before his admission to intensive care.

                    She developed symptoms six days after her last contact with her father and was admitted to hospital on 24 March. She was transferred to the ICU on 28 March and died of multi-organ failure on 24 April.

                    Two almost genetically identical virus strains were isolated from each patient, suggesting transmission from father to daughter.

                    Forty-three close contacts of both cases were interviewed by public health officials and tested for influenza virus. Of these, one (a son in law who helped care for the father) had mild illness, but all contacts tested negative for H7N9 infection.

                    Environmental samples from poultry cages, water at two local poultry markets, and swans from the residential area, were also tested. One strain was isolated but was genetically different to the two strains isolated from the patients.

                    The researchers acknowledge some study limitations, but say that the most likely explanation for this family cluster of two cases with H7N9 infection is that the virus "transmitted directly from the index patient to his daughter." But they stress that "the virus has not gained the ability to transmit itself sustained from person to person efficiently."

                    They believe that the most likely source of infection for the index case was the live poultry market, and conclude: "To our best knowledge, this is the first report of probable transmissibility of the novel virus person to person with detailed epidemiological, clinical, and virological data. Our findings reinforce that the novel virus possesses the potential for pandemic spread."

                    So does this imply that H7N9 has come one step closer towards adapting fully to humans, ask James Rudge and Richard Coker from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, based in Bangkok, in an accompanying editorial?

                    Probably not, they say. Limited transmission between humans "is not surprising, and does not necessarily indicate that the virus is on course to develop sustained transmission among humans."

                    Nevertheless, they point to several traits of H7N9 are of particular concern, and conclude that, while this study might not suggest that H7N9 is any closer to delivering the next pandemic, "it does provide a timely reminder of the need to remain extremely vigilant: the threat posed by H7N9 has by no means passed."

                    Dr Zhou says that the reason for carrying out this study was because there was "no definite evidence to show that the novel virus can transmit person-to-person," plus she and her co-authors wanted to find out whether the novel avian influenza virus possesses the capability to transmit person-to-person. She concludes that "the infection of the daughter is likely to have resulted from her father during unprotected exposure" and suggest that the virus possesses the ability to transmit person-to-person in this cluster. She does add however that the infection was "limited and non-sustainable as there is no outbreak following the two cases."
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                      #25
                      [B]Heads up folks

                      Abby

                      Creating A Super Flu Virus: Scientists Set Course For Controversial H7N9 Influenza Experiments
                      By Nsikan Akpan | Aug 7, 2013 01:18 PM EDT


                      Infectious particles of the avian H7N9 virus emerge from a cell. Researchers announce plans that may create a more dangerous version of the H7N9 influenza virus... and why that's not necessarily a bad idea. Two letters published in the journals Nature and Science argue for the commencement of research on the H7N9 influenza that may yield more potent strains of the new flu virus that emerged in China earlier this year.

                      Follow Us To fully assess the potential risk associated with these novel viruses, there is a need for additional research including experiments that may be classified as "gain-of-function," wrote virologist Ron Fuchier of Erasmus Medical Center (Netherlands) and 21 other world-renowned scientists.

                      H7N9 avian influenza jumped from poultry to humans this past spring, causing an international scare, although the virus only infected 134 people in east Asia. The virus' spread was limited by its inability to easily pass between people. Indeed, the only suspected example of person-to-person transmission occurred between two Asian family members in March, although the details of the case weren't released until this week. Both individuals were killed by the virus.

                      Read more: Transmission Of H7N9 Bird Flu From Human To Human 'Probable'

                      Scientists are worried, with enough time, that H7N9 could evolve into a more vicious spreader. Given the virus's mortality rate hovers at about 30 percent, such a development could trigger a severe epidemic.

                      Drug resistance against current antivirals has also reared its ugly head in the H7N9 storyline, which has the National Institutes of Health, scientists in China, and multiple drug firms working day and night to find better treatments.

                      Drug resistance is one area that the authors of these letters want to examine, along with investigations into building vaccines, adaptation, transmission, and disease severity — all of which may produce more dangerous variants of H7N9.

                      The correspondence, according to the authors, is intended to preempt the backlash that is expected from the regular citizens and fellow scientists that think this line of research is an unnecessary risk.

                      Are the right safety protocols in place?

                      What if experimental H7N9 virus particles capable of causing a serious epideimic are accidentally released from one these labs?

                      Fouchier is no stranger to such rebuffs. He headed one of two labs that surprised the world in 2011 when they announced the creation of an H5N1 avian influenza strain that could easily pass between mammals (ferrets). This set off a series of global protests in the media and academic circles that halted similar projects on H5N1 for over a year.

                      Yet this ban, which was self-imposed by global virologists, was lifted after government agencies and international health organizations spent thousands of hours dicussing the dangers.

                      These letters will arguably serve as an initiating platform for debate, and indeed, scientists are already sounding off, with some calling the authors justification "very flimsy, to put it mildly."

                      In response to the letters, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued guidelines on how it will proceed with the approval of H7N9 gain-of-function research to ensure the appropriate biosafety practices are maintained.

                      Sources: Fouchier RAM, Kawaoka Y, Cardona C, et al. Gain-of-Function Experiments on H7N9. Science. 2013.
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                        #26
                        This is interesting

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                          New Chinese Bird Flu May Be Worse Than H7N9 Virus
                          By Cassie Ryan, Epoch Times | August 23, 2013
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                          A man weighs a chicken in a Hong Kong poultry market on May 24, 2013. Another bird flu virus has been found in chickens in China, that appears to have been developing alongside the H7N9 strain. (Philippe Lopez/AFP/Getty Images)



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                          •A virus called H7N7 has been discovered in chickens in China, according to a new study published in the journal Nature.

                          A team of Hong Kong researchers found the virus in about 25 percent of the fowl sampled, many of which also had the H7N9 virus. By testing the H7N7 virus on ferrets, the researchers found that it can be transmitted to mammals.

                          “If (we) let this H7N7 continue circulating in chickens, I am sure that human infection cases will occur,” study co-author Guan Yi at the University of Hong Kong told AFP. “This virus could cause more severe infection than … H7N9, based on our animal experiment.”

                          H7N7 appears to have developed alongside H7N9, which has killed 44 of more than 130 people infected in China.

                          “We think it is scary for humans,” Guan added. “Our entire human population almost has no antibodies against the H7 subtype of influenza virus. Thus, if it causes pandemic outbreak, it will kill many people.”

                          The scientists believe a better surveillance system is needed to monitor for dangerous viruses like H7N9 that may be emerging. “This is a very different influenza ecosystem from other countries,” Guan said, according to Nature.
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                            #28
                            Abby, please stop posting these reports. They are not supportive
                            and are scaring the crowd.

                            Thank you
                            Last edited by SalpalSally; 08-24-2013, 06:20 PM.
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